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UGN-Speak Next speaker is Klaus Burkert from VillageTronic (not Holger kruse as displayed)

tekmage Hello crest

crest snoopy: unknown yet

tekmage hello crest, welcome to IRC!

crest hi it's been a long timne since I was on last

tekmage crest: can you give us some background on your self, and about your company?

crest I'm with villagtronic for nearly 6 years and I did all the major hardware design for the amiga there

crest this was Domino, PicassoII, Ariadne, PicassoII+, PicassoIV and recently AriadneII

tekmage If you have a question, please /msg tekmage with a "?"

tekmage crest: ready for some questions?

crest at the show the new AriadneII was introduced as the state-of-the-art Amiga ethernet board at a competetive price

crest itek: yes ga

tekmage ok

tekmage Remember to end with GA and have your question ready! :)

tekmage queue is T-tam, tekmage, trizt, agima, yoshsi2, shen, manowar3

T-tam Can you tell us the results of your survey so far? Do you intend to develop for the Amiga NG? GA

tekmage Please /msg me with a "?" and not your question

crest the survey hasn't been counted yet, the time before the show (monday to wednesday) were ~100 preorders, I expect the survey to come out positive.

crest regarding develoment for Amiga NG, it's difficult, as AI didn't disclose any hardware details to us yet.

crest ga

tekmage There is some confusion whether the Voodoo card will be Z3 or need a P-IV ga

tekmage Please /msg me with a "?" and not your question

tekmage queue is trizt, agima, yoshsi2, shen, manowar3, general-l, surround, zenon

crest the voodoo card will need a P-IV in Z3 mode. This is due to the fact that Voodoo needs 16MBof address space (doesn't fit into Z2) and it needs some accesses to be 32 bit wide, which don't work either

crest maybe there'll some dirtzy trick to make it work, but I'm not sure and playing safe for now to feature Z3-only.

crest ga

Trizt 1) The rumors about Piccasso V, can you say if they are true or not? 2) If it is true, will it be possible to use the addon from PIV on it? 3) Is there any thoughts of developing hardware which can be used on a Blizz603e? ga

crest it was a hoax/joke of CU amiga who played "what if" . On the page before the "PicassoV" this was mentioned but it was somewhat hidden...

crest There won't be a P-V with the S3 Savage chip from us.

crest ga

Agima First of all, good luck with the Voodoo add-on (from a non-GFX card owner :). Second, why only a Voodoo I? Wouldn't 3dFX let you near a Voodoo II, or Banshee, or was the license fee too expensive? Or is it something to do with the Amiga hardware? GA

tekmage queue is shen, manowar3, general-l, surround, zenon, snoopy

crest Voodoo 1 is cheaper, generates less heat and requires less board space. Even more we have proven designs from the Macintosh.

crest this reduces development as it'll be merely a spin-off. VoodooII wouldn't improve much as I suppose the VoodooI idling a little already as the Amiga has to compute the geometry data.

crest ga

Shen 1) When will the Aridine II come out ? 2) What are the new features to look foward to in the upcomming P96 releases. GA

crest the AriadneII is sold at the show and the customers take the actual working board with them...

tekmage Queue is manowar3, general-l, surround, zenon, randall

crest Shipment starts rights after we return from the show (next week)

crest I have no specific info on upcomimng P96 releases, the authors constantly work and improve features, speed and stability and I learn it from the release notes... :-) ga

tekmage nudge

Manowar3 Hi Crest:1) Is P96 OS3.5 RTG ? 2)Will P96 support Permedia2 boards from P5?..P96 author Tobias says "P5 hw is crap." What do u think ?GA

crest 1) tough question... there haven't been much details on 3.5 revealed yet or at least I can'þ comment on the little that got known to me through the grapevine.

crest 2) The authors don't have CS-PPC or CS-MK.III and CV-PPC, they don't intend to buy it (~DM 2500) for doing a shareware driver. AFAIK any volunteers for doing the dirver are welcome.

crest I don't think that Tobias intended it that way, but every product has advantages and drawbacks, maybe he himself isn't convinced enough to spend his money on it. ga

General_L Do u have any plans to make a voodo card for zorro or/and the ateo bus? if no why not? GA sorry if any asked diz b4 but I crashed :(

tekmage queue is surround, zenon, randall

crest not yet. The voodoo needs a PCI interface and it's present and available on the P-IV

crest the local PCI busses on CV/3D and CV-PPC aren't accessible externally and the Ateo bus would need

crest a conversion from thsat bus to PCI as woulkd need Zorro. The conversion would add significant cost and I wouldn't expect a potential product below DM 500.-

crest I don't think much users would be willing to spend that much money. ga

SuRRouND crest: 1) Exist the real project about Voodoo board or Village only thing about to develop this? 2) Do you know how many Picasso 4 board Village sold? ga

tekmage Queue is zenon, randall, tekmage, jezzey

crest 1) we did some preparations in softwrae and hardware but no startroff was done yet. The design is already shipped on the mac and hardware-.wise would only be PCB-layout.

crest 2) yes. ga

Zenon crest: why was the AriadneII so heavy delayed ? (AriadneII works greats by the way :-)

tekmage done?

Zenon yes

crest we had reource problems in personnel. priorities shifted from amiga to mac (amiga market has really shrinked) and other internal problems happened as well. I spologize for that, the original timeshedule was planned for Q2/98... ga

Randall hi crest, greetings from australia! you say Voodoo 1 is cheaper. is it possible for you to reduce prices on gfx boards on amiga as they are just so expensive. once you get a pIV and then add voodoo its costing more than my machine (a3000) is worth. GA

aTmosh Don't give me ops, this is a public machine

t-rex please don't speak to the channel

atmosh I needed some ops, simd is asleep

crest difficult. The problem is development effort and especially the very low volume compared to other markets. I don't think it possible to do much cheaper without making a loss. ga

crest bye all

tekmage ok

tekmage thank you for comming today!

UGN-Speak	Next speaker is Klaus Burkert from VillageTronic (not Holger kruse as displayed)
tekmage	Hello crest
crest	snoopy: unknown yet
tekmage	hello crest, welcome to IRC!
crest	hi it's been a long timne since I was on last
tekmage	crest: can you give us some background on your self, and about your company?
crest	I'm with villagtronic for nearly 6 years and I did all the major hardware design for the amiga there
crest	this was Domino, PicassoII, Ariadne, PicassoII+, PicassoIV and recently AriadneII
tekmage	If you have a question, please /msg tekmage with a "?"
tekmage	crest: ready for some questions?
crest	at the show the new AriadneII was introduced as the state-of-the-art Amiga ethernet board at a competetive price
crest	itek: yes ga
tekmage	ok
tekmage	Remember to end with GA and have your question ready! :)
tekmage	queue is T-tam, tekmage, trizt, agima, yoshsi2, shen, manowar3
T-tam	Can you tell us the results of your survey so far? Do you intend to develop for the Amiga NG? GA
tekmage	Please /msg me with a "?" and not your question
crest	the survey hasn't been counted yet, the time before the show (monday to wednesday) were ~100 preorders, I expect the survey to come out positive.
crest	regarding develoment for Amiga NG, it's difficult, as AI didn't disclose any hardware details to us yet.
crest	ga
tekmage	There is some confusion whether the Voodoo card will be Z3 or need a P-IV ga
tekmage	Please /msg me with a "?" and not your question
tekmage	queue is trizt, agima, yoshsi2, shen, manowar3, general-l, surround, zenon
crest	the voodoo card will need a P-IV in Z3 mode. This is due to the fact that Voodoo needs 16MBof address space (doesn't fit into Z2) and it needs some accesses to be 32 bit wide, which don't work either
crest	maybe there'll some dirtzy trick to make it work, but I'm not sure and playing safe for now to feature Z3-only.
crest	ga
Trizt	1) The rumors about Piccasso V, can you say if they are true or not? 2) If it is true, will it be possible to use the addon from PIV on it? 3) Is there any thoughts of developing hardware which can be used on a Blizz603e? ga
crest	it was a hoax/joke of CU amiga who played "what if" . On the page before the "PicassoV" this was mentioned but it was somewhat hidden...
crest	There won't be a P-V with the S3 Savage chip from us.
crest	ga
Agima	First of all, good luck with the Voodoo add-on (from a non-GFX card owner :). Second, why only a Voodoo I? Wouldn't 3dFX let you near a Voodoo II, or Banshee, or was the license fee too expensive? Or is it something to do with the Amiga hardware? GA
tekmage	queue is shen, manowar3, general-l, surround, zenon, snoopy
crest	Voodoo 1 is cheaper, generates less heat and requires less board space. Even more we have proven designs from the Macintosh.
crest	this reduces development as it'll be merely a spin-off. VoodooII wouldn't improve much as I suppose the VoodooI idling a little already as the Amiga has to compute the geometry data.
crest	ga
Shen	1) When will the Aridine II come out ? 2) What are the new features to look foward to in the upcomming P96 releases. GA
crest	the AriadneII is sold at the show and the customers take the actual working board with them...
tekmage	Queue is manowar3, general-l, surround, zenon, randall
crest	Shipment starts rights after we return from the show (next week)
crest	I have no specific info on upcomimng P96 releases, the authors constantly work and improve features, speed and stability and I learn it from the release notes... :-) ga
tekmage	nudge
Manowar3	Hi Crest:1) Is P96 OS3.5 RTG ? 2)Will P96 support Permedia2 boards from P5?..P96 author Tobias says "P5 hw is crap." What do u think ?GA
crest	1) tough question... there haven't been much details on 3.5 revealed yet or at least I can'þ comment on the little that got known to me through the grapevine.
crest	2) The authors don't have CS-PPC or CS-MK.III and CV-PPC, they don't intend to buy it (~DM 2500) for doing a shareware driver. AFAIK any volunteers for doing the dirver are welcome.
crest	I don't think that Tobias intended it that way, but every product has advantages and drawbacks, maybe he himself isn't convinced enough to spend his money on it. ga
General_L	Do u have any plans to make a voodo card for zorro or/and the ateo bus? if no why not? GA sorry if any asked diz b4 but I crashed :(
tekmage	queue is surround, zenon, randall
crest	not yet. The voodoo needs a PCI interface and it's present and available on the P-IV
crest	the local PCI busses on CV/3D and CV-PPC aren't accessible externally and the Ateo bus would need
crest	a conversion from thsat bus to PCI as woulkd need Zorro. The conversion would add significant cost and I wouldn't expect a potential product below DM 500.-
crest	I don't think much users would be willing to spend that much money. ga
SuRRouND	crest: 1) Exist the real project about Voodoo board or Village only thing about to develop this? 2) Do you know how many Picasso 4 board Village sold? ga
tekmage	Queue is zenon, randall, tekmage, jezzey
crest	1) we did some preparations in softwrae and hardware but no startroff was done yet. The design is already shipped on the mac and hardware-.wise would only be PCB-layout.
crest	2) yes. ga
Zenon	crest: why was the AriadneII so heavy delayed ? (AriadneII works greats by the way :-)
tekmage	done?
Zenon	yes
crest	we had reource problems in personnel. priorities shifted from amiga to mac (amiga market has really shrinked) and other internal problems happened as well. I spologize for that, the original timeshedule was planned for Q2/98... ga
Randall	hi crest, greetings from australia! you say Voodoo 1 is cheaper. is it possible for you to reduce prices on gfx boards on amiga as they are just so expensive. once you get a pIV and then add voodoo its costing more than my machine (a3000) is worth. GA
aTmosh	Don't give me ops, this is a public machine
t-rex	please don't speak to the channel
atmosh	I needed some ops, simd is asleep
crest	difficult. The problem is development effort and especially the very low volume compared to other markets. I don't think it possible to do much cheaper without making a loss. ga
crest	bye all
tekmage	ok
tekmage	thank you for comming today!


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